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post #21 of 75 (permalink) Old 12-12-2015, 06:05 PM
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Every person I know who didn't want to go to college but their parents pressured and paid for it either didn't finish their degree or screwed around did drugs and is now a complete mess. People that didn't go to college and didn't want to, or outright couldn't afford it are doing fine and are living happy productive self sufficient lives in the career paths they picked. Click here to enlarge So don't freak out about the grades and lack of desire for higher education. In the big picture it really doesn't do much.
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ďI donít know why we donít create some sort of system where we could train [Syrian refugees] to then go back to their own country and then fight for that country. Doesnít somebody have to stay in the Middle East and make the Middle East a better place to live?Ē

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Sebastian is a junior and has expressed interest in becomeing a firefighter but has a specific interest in forest fires so he can join a paintball team on the "off-season." I am encouraging all of his interests as long as he is either working or going to to school or both. At his point he is planning on going to community college and working at the local paintball field. He thinks he will be able to move out as soon as he graduates. Oh honey....

Have him look into volunteer firefighting, all the small towns in the northeast are mainly volunteer run. My brother wants to do wildfire training, there's some coursework associated that he's knocking out now. It can be done at a community college if I'm not mistaken.


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I've known parents like that, where their kids hated school and didn't do their homework and barely passed but the parents were hell-bent on sending their kids to college, and it made no sense to me, either.

Some of these kids were bright underachievers. From my observations, bright underachievers do way better when they have a specific goal and a motivation and letting them spend a few years post-high school experiencing the joys of working shit jobs for a living will help them see a purpose in college beyond getting Mom and Dad off your back.

I've also known parents who would not even for a minute consider the local community college, despite the fact that their bright underachiever never turned in papers and got grades too low to get into the U of M (which admittedly is the 4th most competitive college in the state) ... and instead went into debt to send their kid to one of the local private colleges that will admit almost anyone with a pulse.

I don't get it.

In my case, yes, I expect my kids to go to college. The high school student has continued to be a high-achieving genius snowflake. The middle schooler is also a high-achieving genius snowflake but whether she'll stay high-achieving in high school is one of those things I hesitate to make predictions about.

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I think I meant to say that if my middle schooler chooses to faff around through high school instead of getting the A's she's totally capable of getting, I will revise my expectations as needed. Click here to enlarge

Also, if one of my kids graduates from high school and decides to go to a tech school because they've decided they really want to become a plumber / hairdresser / EMT, that's also fine. Or if they have some other plan? Fine. (Unless the plan is to live in my basement and play online games 24/7. That would not thrill me.)

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And Julie said "Futz", "Futz" said Julie.
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But we tried to do it anyway, anyway,
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And I mean that in the nicest way
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And Julie said "Futz", "Futz" said Julie.
"Futz around until my return."
The definition of "futz" was something we had yet to learn,
But we tried to do it anyway, anyway,
'Cause Julie, we'll do anything you say.


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Have him look into volunteer firefighting, all the small towns in the northeast are mainly volunteer run. My brother wants to do wildfire training, there's some coursework associated that he's knocking out now. It can be done at a community college if I'm not mistaken.


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Cal fire is huge here as well as volunteer firefighting. Sierra college has specific classes for firefighting. He wants to go to Folsom lake community as of now, we will see what he settles on. He wants to work for the federal government so he "can move out of California". Man I love this kid


And Julie said "Futz", "Futz" said Julie.
"Futz around until my return."
The definition of "futz" was something we had yet to learn,
But we tried to do it anyway, anyway,
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Some of these kids were bright underachievers. From my observations, bright underachievers do way better when they have a specific goal and a motivation and letting them spend a few years post-high school experiencing the joys of working shit jobs for a living will help them see a purpose in college beyond getting Mom and Dad off your back.


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Or they graduate High School, grab a job and prove to their stuck up ridiculous cunt basket parents that they didn't need college as they climb to the top of their career path by 30 and make more than all of their college educated siblings.


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I love how Naomi says "letting them spend a few years post High School"

Um, once a person is 18 they can do whatever the fuck they want. Click here to enlarge Gawd you sound like Ima.


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I wish I knew what the hell emoji38 was. It's not showing up on my screen. Click here to enlarge
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Or they graduate High School, grab a job and prove to their stuck up ridiculous cunt basket parents that they didn't need college as they climb to the top of their career path by 30 and make more than all of their college educated siblings.
Yes! Which is awesome. Click here to enlarge Mostly, though, zero post-high-school training or education means poorly paid jobs that make you stand up all day. I worked as a secretary for an ice factory after I graduated high school and it featured a $5/hour wage with no benefits whatsoever and being screamed at by irate customers because as the junior employee on the totem pole they made me answer the phone most of the time. I was very very glad not to have to do that job for very long.

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College, military, trade school or work...whatever they choose since they will both be adults when they graduate. Productive members of society is my goal!

Every time we have this discussion I think Click here to enlarge when someone comes along and says college is not optional, I just don't understand that thought process. And although few and far between you can absolutely make some good money without a degree if you willing to work hard for it.
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I flamed out of high school, short 3 credits, got a job in retail, hated it. Put myself through community college for two years and got a position as a Developmental Services Worker in a group home. Worked for several years then enrolled in university part time while working full time. Graduated with a Honors B.A. Continued working as a T.A. with children with special needs while Ds grew up. I returned to university and got a second degree in education with a specialist accreditation in special education.

I told Ds my tale, some of which he knew, to illustrate that education can be on going and doesn't have to occur immediately after high school. Mine was not the easiest way to do things, but it worked for me. He knows that he is welcome to live at home as long as he is either in school or working. He is currently redoing some high school courses to improve his overall average, and working part time.

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I forgot to add that he has yet to decide what he wants to do but is exploring several ideas.

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I would also like to add that until Sybermoms I really didn't consider 18 yr olds adults. Around me growing up until you graduated college you pretty much still did what your parents wanted.

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I would also like to add that until Sybermoms I really didn't consider 18 yr olds adults. Around me growing up until you graduated college you pretty much still did what your parents wanted.
That is so weird to me. I moved out at 18. I had my own banking etc and didn't ask for anything.


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That is so weird to me. I moved out at 18. I had my own banking etc and didn't ask for anything.
I turned 18 June 1st, graduated June 3rd and moved out and 3 hours away on June 5th. Had a job lined up and made an attempt at college which I paid for myself.
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I would also like to add that until Sybermoms I really didn't consider 18 yr olds adults. Around me growing up until you graduated college you pretty much still did what your parents wanted.
This was my experience, too.
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i went to college and worked and had a bank account but that's just how it was where I grew up.
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I would also like to add that until Sybermoms I really didn't consider 18 yr olds adults. Around me growing up until you graduated college you pretty much still did what your parents wanted.
Yep, my experience too. My kids all have gone off to college except my youngest who is still at home (senior). I have a hard time thinking of Mal as an adult even at 18. Click here to enlarge
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