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04-03-2014 05:26 AM
Lyerin Try different churches. Find someplace that emphasizes love and community over everything else. You just need to find your "home."
03-30-2014 10:04 AM
EvilBad
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and FP too, it just didn't quote you...

Its not that I feel I have to believe or maybe it is, I don't even know. I have a fear of hell that probably a part of me actually believes in. Its also the fear of if I don't believe in heaven than this life is sort of worthless meaning, I love, experience and cherish for what seems like nothing. I love my life, my kids, my family and everything I have done but to have it end in nothing? Well that just doesn't seem right. I feel like there has to be something because then this is all for nothing, kwim?

*lost*

Sorry, my thoughts are so jumbled.
Your life isn't worthless and devoid of meaning. You just have to learn how to have meaning without a church or a bible telling you to. It's strange but frankly, I fucking love science and I find so much wonder and amazement in everything they're discovering and figuring out every day, how can that not be meaning? Look at everything that has perfectly aligned to make ME. To make my son, the flowers in my yard, the technology I use daily, the act of sex (YAY) and the feelings of love and anger and hate and frustration. All of it. It's just amazing. I don't need a god to tell me to delight in these wonders, it happens regardless of my religious affiliations.
03-28-2014 04:32 PM
Starr
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Exactly. And we don't need some asshole standing up in front of us on Sunday telling us to behave. We behave because it is the right thing to do.
Especially an asshole who would condem a child to eternal damnation because he or she isn't a christian. And then the christians who swear the bible is THE WORD OF GOD. Ummmm no.....it's a series of chapters which have already undergone numerous translation which King James commisined 57 or 58 scribes to re-translate it so the it's "not too harsh or not too soft."
And if God did write it, why the fuck does he keep referring to himself in third person?

There's so many contradictions in that book, and so many other books the church left out, how anyone can say it's THE WORD OF GOD is beyond me.

UGH.
03-28-2014 01:52 PM
Pudin
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Atheists don't worry about shit like that

Actually, maybe it's just me.

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Exactly. And we don't need some asshole standing up in front of us on Sunday telling us to behave. We behave because it is the right thing to do.
03-28-2014 01:50 PM
Pudin
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The thought of eternal death and being done on this earth scares me.
Why? You aren't going to know the difference.
03-27-2014 05:51 PM
Faster Pussycat It is weird to think that some day I will not be, anymore.
But not any weirder, at all, than the fact that I didn't used to be, either. And I wasn't bothered by not having been born, so I figure it won't bother me to go back to that.
03-27-2014 05:36 PM
wren http://gawker.com/astronomers-just-d...ang-1545547055
03-27-2014 05:34 PM
wren
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They I think, so if there isnt a God, who created the universe in its being? Whowhat created the sun ? How did atoms form at all?

Welcome to my brain, people. This shit keeps me up at night.



I think they just recently proved that The Big Bang actually happened, right? . I'm not an atheist (most days) but you know...science has many of the answers to the questions that you're talking about.
03-27-2014 11:53 AM
Kat You can still hold all the beliefs you have without attending church. Give yourself the freedom of that. You aren't going to hell for not meeting up with people in a building once a week.


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03-27-2014 09:05 AM
Turtle Monkey
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The thought of eternal death and being done on this earth scares me. regardless of what or where we go, even if it's nowhere. The thought of me dying and never seeing anyone I love ever again gives me an anxiety attack.
im atheist and non of that bothers me. so it sounds to me like you are not atheist, maybe agnostic but most likely just need a new church or a break from churches. you dont have to go to church to go to heaven. just stay home and read your bible and then when youre ready, look for a different church or maybe a different religion. try a bunch out, they let you do that, right? every sunday pick something new til you find something you like.
03-12-2014 08:08 PM
Starr I gave up the beliefs of fundie Christian dogma over time as I educated myself on "things." That said, I DO still try to live by the teachings of Jesus as well as others, ie Ghandi.

I no longer belive the King James bible is "The Word of God." It isn't. It's just what it says on the spine and has about 46 authors, hence the contradictory messages.

I struggle to have faith in humanity, muchless faith in a being that loves us all so much but it we don't belive it, he'll burn is in hell for eternity.

Nor do belive that we are all children of God, except for the homosexuals or those of different faiths because those faiths aren't "right."

Religion is a manmade concept and is different from a cult only because of social acception. Religion has caused more death and suffering in the name of God than all the wars combined.

No one should belive in anything out of fear. I don't think God wants us to believe im him/her whatever because we're afraid NOT to.

Trust what your heart tells you and learn as much as you can about the history of religions and then maybe you can find peace and spiritual health.
03-12-2014 07:15 PM
Peent
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They I think, so if there isnt a God, who created the universe in its being? Whowhat created the sun ? How did atoms form at all?

Welcome to my brain, people. This shit keeps me up at night.


Atheists don't worry about shit like that

Actually, maybe it's just me.

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03-12-2014 07:09 PM
Small Town Ho Maybe you need some Ambien?

I'm not being snarky, I think it's not healthy to lay awake thinking about heaven and hell. I lay awake at night worrying about paying for college and my kid's health so I'm not judging you. I take trazodone on the nights I know I won't sleep.
03-12-2014 09:20 AM
stains They I think, so if there isnt a God, who created the universe in its being? Whowhat created the sun ? How did atoms form at all?

Welcome to my brain, people. This shit keeps me up at night.


03-12-2014 06:20 AM
Patsit I don't believe in hell either and my idea of Heaven is not the same as lot of my Christian friends but I believe that God meets us where we are.


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03-12-2014 03:18 AM
wren There is so, so much meaning to life without the ideas of heaven and hell.


I'll just leave this here.

http://americanhumanist.org/Who_We_Are/About_Humanism
03-11-2014 07:54 PM
stains
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I think most people's faith ebbs and flows and changes as their lives change. I know it's scary to feel like a foundation of your life is unstable, but it's completely normal. By questioning and searching you'll land in a spiritual place that is right for *you* and your family, and it may not neccesarily be what your parents raised you to be. If that means coming to terms with not being a person of faith then that's ok too and you will still have relationships that support and sustain you outside of a church.

One of my best friends who is in her late 40's has been a Methodist her entire life. They recently left their church because of a lot of reasons having to do with the leadership. They've been really enjoying having their Sundays to themselves, hanging out with their kids, not feeling pulled to join choir/Wednesday suppers/multiple bible study groups, etc. The first few weeks she felt so guilty enjoying that time and not feeling a void in her life. I told her that was silly. . That extra downtime let's them reconnect with their kids ( which is much, much more important that going to youth group meetings every week), relax together and feel at peace with each other. She's afraid her kids will grow up lacking without having a church home. I told her they can still have connections and community and faith without church. That taking their time finding the right church was much more important that just planting their butts in pews every Sunday.

I guess my point is that even people well into their lives can have a fork in the road when it comes to believing in God or not and making decisions on what to do with that belief.
and FP too, it just didn't quote you...

Its not that I feel I have to believe or maybe it is, I don't even know. I have a fear of hell that probably a part of me actually believes in. Its also the fear of if I don't believe in heaven than this life is sort of worthless meaning, I love, experience and cherish for what seems like nothing. I love my life, my kids, my family and everything I have done but to have it end in nothing? Well that just doesn't seem right. I feel like there has to be something because then this is all for nothing, kwim?

*lost*

Sorry, my thoughts are so jumbled.
03-11-2014 04:23 PM
wren I think most people's faith ebbs and flows and changes as their lives change. I know it's scary to feel like a foundation of your life is unstable, but it's completely normal. By questioning and searching you'll land in a spiritual place that is right for *you* and your family, and it may not neccesarily be what your parents raised you to be. If that means coming to terms with not being a person of faith then that's ok too and you will still have relationships that support and sustain you outside of a church.

One of my best friends who is in her late 40's has been a Methodist her entire life. They recently left their church because of a lot of reasons having to do with the leadership. They've been really enjoying having their Sundays to themselves, hanging out with their kids, not feeling pulled to join choir/Wednesday suppers/multiple bible study groups, etc. The first few weeks she felt so guilty enjoying that time and not feeling a void in her life. I told her that was silly. . That extra downtime let's them reconnect with their kids ( which is much, much more important that going to youth group meetings every week), relax together and feel at peace with each other. She's afraid her kids will grow up lacking without having a church home. I told her they can still have connections and community and faith without church. That taking their time finding the right church was much more important that just planting their butts in pews every Sunday.

I guess my point is that even people well into their lives can have a fork in the road when it comes to believing in God or not and making decisions on what to do with that belief.
03-11-2014 03:08 PM
Patsit I get you stains. I consider myself a Christian these days. It's not the same Christian I grew up with.

I worship every darn day though instead is just Sundays.


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03-11-2014 02:28 PM
Sextillion I was going to say the same thing - find a new church, or at least try out a few.

We go to a very liberal church, The United Church of Christ. Their message is much more social justice and welcoming than most churches (even Methodist). In fact we have several former Methodist clergy in our congregation. I love it because a lot of the message is that we are here to help one another, regardless of faith, nationality, status, gender, sexuality, etc. and I love that my kids get that message, too.

Seriously - try a few churches, or at least look on some websites and see if anything appeals to you.
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