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| 03-20-2015 09:28 AM | |
| Express66 |
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That would totally happen here. People don't leave and they stay in their neighborhoods/school districts -- I'd say a minimum of 70% of the parents at DS's school went to the local high school. They have tailgate parties at the doGdamn ELEMENTARY school before homecoming.
 Luckily, we are the Spartans.  So at least there's no controversy there. And it's better than *my* school mascot -- the Trojans.We are the Wingers so no controversy in it
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| 03-19-2015 04:40 PM | |
| Interplanet Janet | Your town made Buzzfeed. lol |
| 03-19-2015 03:39 PM | |
| Nodakbabe |
It's been years now since UND had to change their name from the Fighting Sioux(they still don't have a new nickname, apparently it's a NCAA rule or something) and there are still people upset about it. And there probably will be for many years, but it's a done deal. I do remember what my mascot was in part because I currently live in the town that I graduated from. |
| 03-19-2015 03:06 PM | |
| Ypsi |
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And images used by the Atlanta braves could be viewed as the equivalent of black face and goes unnoticed.
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| 03-19-2015 03:03 PM | |
| Ypsi |
That would totally happen here. People don't leave and they stay in their neighborhoods/school districts -- I'd say a minimum of 70% of the parents at DS's school went to the local high school. They have tailgate parties at the doGdamn ELEMENTARY school before homecoming. Luckily, we are the Spartans. So at least there's no controversy there. And it's better than *my* school mascot -- the Trojans.
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| 03-19-2015 02:51 PM | |
| betholio |
Yeah, I can remember years ago the Blue Jays played some series with Atlanta and we were all "wtf?" Canada has it's own batch of racism against aboriginals, I'm not pretending it doesn't. |
| 03-19-2015 06:54 AM | |
| Azrael |
So today the high school and middle school both had little gatherings before school started. (The schools are not close together.) The middle schoolers went into the class. About 300 of the high schoolers didn't. They walked across town to the admin building chanting, proceeded down to the middle school, chanted there for a little while, and then headed back to the high school. The news stations are live tweeting all this, natch. One friend of mine is a grad from '85. He shows up at board meetings in his hs varsity jacket. He also showed up in his jacket this morning supporting the kids and proclaiming his pride. I mean, more power to him that he fits into his jacket from 30 years ago. I'm jealous of that part. But good grief. The crier friend from the other day cried again today watching the videos posted on facebook because she's just so darn proud of these kids. |
| 03-18-2015 11:26 AM | |
| Twinklestars | The school we transferred to last year are the Rebels. They even use the former Ole Miss Colonel outline/likeness. It will never change. I don't think that it has ever even been brought up as being offensive. But, I am in very rural Tennessee. |
| 03-18-2015 07:47 AM | |
| Zea |
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And it's funny the article I just read about it had a representative from a tribe who felt it was disrespectful to have people "dress up and play Indian" and that goes a lot further than the redskin name. The "war chant" And images used by the Atlanta braves could be viewed as the equivalent of black face and goes unnoticed.
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| 03-18-2015 04:38 AM | |
| Azrael |
Our district has been pretty quiet about it but they've been buying generic "TOWN NAME" jerseys and equipment for about 5 years now. They knew the change was coming. The physical mascot hasn't appeared at a football game since last year. The boosters have continued to purchase their own sweatshirts with the mascot at their own cost but anything school issued doesn't have the name or an image on it. From what I understand, they're going to leave the paintings on the school walls. Every senior class going back 20+ years has their names painted on a wall somewhere in the school, and with that a painting behind the names. Those will stay. The gym floor will stay for now. I suspect it will be "renovated" in the next few years. They're also making new football and soccer fields in the next few years so that will take care of that. The new scoreboard is missing any mascot/name and just as the town name on it. They knew. I think changing over slowly would give the opponents of change more time to organize and more time to protest. It needed to be done quickly. Ripping of the bandaid, so to speak. Now the opponents are threatening to vote down the school budget. I'm so disgusted. |
| 03-18-2015 04:23 AM | |
| Noodle | And it's funny the article I just read about it had a representative from a tribe who felt it was disrespectful to have people "dress up and play Indian" and that goes a lot further than the redskin name. The "war chant" And images used by the Atlanta braves could be viewed as the equivalent of black face and goes unnoticed. |
| 03-18-2015 04:07 AM | |
| The Church Lady |
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I'm not saying use money as an excuse. I think we are saying the same thing. You need to have a plan in place it's a huge undertaking. There are ways to fund it. You just need a solid plan.
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| 03-18-2015 04:00 AM | |
| Noodle | I'm not saying use money as an excuse. I think we are saying the same thing. You need to have a plan in place it's a huge undertaking. There are ways to fund it. You just need a solid plan. |
| 03-18-2015 03:57 AM | |
| The Church Lady |
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No business in my community would've contributed bc it was such a polarizing topic. And you are talking about ripping up gym floors, replacing every uniform for modified, jv and varsity. Signage, painting, warm ups, stationary, the list goes on. It was a complete cluster fuck in my town. A lot of schools that changed eid so with grant funding or donations from Native American rights groups. That's what I'm saying about doing it on the fly. Figure out how you are going to pay for it....
Uniform replacement may or may not be necessary (some of the Uniforms have the mascot others just the name of the school). It would be cheaper if school colors stayed the same that way uniforms without reference to the mascot could be kept. But Indonthink if a school says "We are changing our mascot from the Redskins (or some other insensitive name) to the Bears starting in the 2015/2016 season but we won't fully convert buildings over until XXXX year due to costs" that people opposed would be okay. People understand costs being an issue, and I think would roll with a slow change, but using money as the only reason to keep a racial epithet as your mascot isn't an excuse. Also, one fundraiser they could do is to sell t-shirts and sweatshirts with the new school mascot/logo on them. It might not replace a gym floor but it could help offset some costs. |
| 03-18-2015 03:16 AM | |
| Noodle | No business in my community would've contributed bc it was such a polarizing topic. And you are talking about ripping up gym floors, replacing every uniform for modified, jv and varsity. Signage, painting, warm ups, stationary, the list goes on. It was a complete cluster fuck in my town. A lot of schools that changed eid so with grant funding or donations from Native American rights groups. That's what I'm saying about doing it on the fly. Figure out how you are going to pay for it.... |
| 03-17-2015 09:26 PM | |
| Naomi |
1. I barely remember what my high school's mascot was. I think it was a lion? But I'm not sure. Crying over a mascot change: NOT NORMAL ADULT BEHAVIOR. 2. Getting super emotionally attached to a team name that's a racial epithet: depressingly normal but not acceptable. Christ. |
| 03-17-2015 08:14 PM | |
| The Church Lady |
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it's wicked fucking expensive to change a mascot and.doing it on the fly like this is probably not the best approach. And I.still say the teams that use Indians/braves and use stereotypical chants and gestures are just as bad.
I also bet if they just made a decision and said that they would be changing the mascot for the 2015/2016 school year that some of the objections would stop. I think you can make the PR case for planning a change but being unable to do it on the fly but just seems like at this point a school using other cultures as their mascot (especially with a name that is essentially an epithet) is wrong. |
| 03-17-2015 06:14 PM | |
| polarchick |
Tell your sobbing friend to come up here and tell my sister in law why she thinks that is a good name for a sports team, and then she'll really have something to cry about. As for your kids, have they ever met a native person? Do they know the origin of the word 'redskin'? Do they know about the history of the genocide of the first nations in North America? Ask your son if he would feel proud of a team name that glorified the Holocaust or the atrocities in Rwanda, because this really is the same thing. It's just minimized because it happened here. |
| 03-17-2015 03:14 PM | |
| Noodle | it's wicked fucking expensive to change a mascot and.doing it on the fly like this is probably not the best approach. And I.still say the teams that use Indians/braves and use stereotypical chants and gestures are just as bad. |
| 03-17-2015 02:39 PM | |
| The Church Lady |
It's a mascot-students will adjust quick. I think changing everything to avoid offense can go overboard at times (because just about anything can cause offense now) but a name like Red Skins is pretty much a no brainer-it is essentially a white an created epithet for native Americans. When my high school changed its mascot in the 1970's from the rebels (as in the confederate army rebels so yeah it needed changing IMO) to the Patriots people protested (I was too young to notice or care but my mom remembered the controversy) everyone pretty much got over it within a year. I just don't see objecting to the change in this instance-and there are plenty of mascot possibilities that won't offend. |
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